Inspired by a colleague
PANS AND PANDAS: AN INTERVIEW WITH DR. MIROSLAV KOVACEVIC
9/4/2018
Dr. Kovacevic is a board certified pediatrician and one of
the first pediatricians in the country to begin treating children with PANDAS.
How did you first learn of PANS/PANDAS and what motivated
you to begin treating children with PANS and PANDAS?
It was an accident. In 1999 a child of a friend, who was a
pediatrician, had a condition nobody could explain so that is how it started. I
found a small five liner in the literature referring to PANDAS and tried to
contact the NIH. I did get in touch with them and was told they were doing some
research on it. After that, I had kids were so incapacitated and had been
through five or six institutions. I tried treatment for PANDAS, it worked, and
from them on I continued to treat children who had PANDAS.
Do you ever treat children who did not have an abrupt or
acute onset, and if so, do they respond similarly to children who did have an
abrupt onset?
There has been an evolution of understanding of PANS and
PANDAS. The first ten to twelve years, the sudden onset was a must. When a
child starts having symptoms at two to three years of age, it is more difficult
to recognize the onset. Certainly there are children who fulfill all the
criteria aside from abrupt onset for whom treatment is successful.
Have you had any patients who had been diagnosed with autism
who ended
up actually having PANS?
Yes, but let’s be specific on that. I have had a number of
children who were initially diagnosed with PDD-NOS that later on turned out to
be PANDAS.
And did their symptoms of autism remit with treatment for
PANDAS?
Yes, their symptoms of autism went away with treatment.
What about children who had been diagnosed with bipolar
disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, etc?
Any time you have children with a long history of neuropsychiatric
symptoms, you will have a whole slew of diagnoses--anxiety, oppositional
defiant disorder, bipolar disorder, etc. That really has been the story. You
have all these diagnoses established at different times. The symptoms evolution
of PANDAS over time differs from child to child. A child can have one episode
where OCD is the main feature. The next episode could be tics or irrational
fears. Children's symptoms do change from episode to episode and advance with
age.
What are the ages of the youngest and the oldest PANS
patients you’ve ever diagnosed?
The youngest patient with confirmed PANDAS was 3.5 years old
and presented with acute anorexia. The oldest was 48. Up until 2010, PANDAS was
considered to be exclusively pediatric. I started to question this and found
that these children do not outgrow PANDAS. It doesn’t go away so they retain
the symptoms. It appears that unless children with PANDAS are treated, it is a
lifelong condition.
In your opinion, why hasn’t PANS/PANDAS moved beyond controversy?
I think recently, as recently as the past two to three
years, it has moved beyond controversy. I think one of the reasons it has been
difficult is we still have the division in medicine into mental and physical
symptoms. There is mental illness which in my opinion doesn’t exist. There is
physical illness with mental illness symptoms. Children with PANDAS often have
no physical symptoms of illness so they’re immediately pronounced behavioral.
There is the implication that the child
could do something about their behavior if they tried hard enough. That is
unfair.
The second problem is there is a division between mental and
physical illness that is deeply rooted into society. There are two groups of
patients and they are treated differently. In mental illness, there is usually
not normal testing, lab testing, etc. that is required in physical illness.
Again, switching camps is very hard.
What percentage of your patient population requires IVIG?
Again it is a matter of age. In my opinion, and I have
followed patients as long as 19 years, it appears all patients with a diagnosis
of PANDAS eventually do need IVIG as the ultimate
resolution. Yes, you can put these patients into remission
with antibiotics and steroids, however, based on my experience, the occurrence
is almost inevitable later in life. Let me give you an example. A number of
years ago, I had a child with acute onset at eight years old, returning from
Europe. We treated with antibiotics and he did well. It happened that I
followed the child as pediatrician at that time. I was witness to his perfectly
normal health for five to six years. At age 14, he woke up with full blown
picture of PANDAS. I believe all children with PANDAS will need IVIG sooner or
later.
How often is more than one course of ivig necessary?
Again historically, it all depends on what is done prior to
IVIG. Until 2010 we basically would treat with IVIG if the child's clinical
picture required it. I saw a 18-20% recurrence. In 2010 we started look at
recurrence more closely and tonsils and adenoids were suspected as a
trigger. We started to employ
tonsillectomy and adenoidectomy before treating with IVIG. Preliminary evidence
is 5% or less are now needing repeat IVIG. Somewhere between
one in ten and one in twenty children.
Do you see a difference in outcomes when children are
treated promptly
versus when they have been sick for years?
Actually that is not necessarily the case. It appears the
effectiveness is solely dependent upon the age, not the duration, intensity, or
quality of symptoms. From my population, in boys between the ages of six and
13, and girls between the ages of six and 12 who are treated with IVIG, the
response rate appears to be 75-77%. After twelve in boys and thirteen in
girls,the effectiveness starts slowly waning down. The effectiveness dissipates
entirely by late twenties or early thirties. The importance of early diagnosis
is not necessarily related
to better outcomes.
Clearly improving quality of life for children and parents because they
know what they are dealing with is an importance that should be attached to
early diagnosis.
Is there any new research you're excited about that you
think will improve quality of life for children with PANS and PANDAS?
There are a number of things we are looking at this moment.
Honestly I am excited about any improvements we can get. One thing that is
being looked at is if a specific strain of group A strep is causing PANDAS.
Group A strep is not a unified group of germs. There are 120 different strains
so the question before us is, is there a particular strain that is likely to
cause PANDAS? The second thing is the possible genetic contribution to the
development of PANDAS. We do have anecdotal evidence that susceptibility to
PANDAS is likely inherited but
we don’t have specific data. Finding this out could help a
great deal.
Thank you to Dr. Kovacevic for taking the time to be
interviewed by FCND Founder and President, Anna Conkey.
http://www.neuroimmune.org/kovacevic/pans-and-pandas-an-interview-with-dr-miroslav-kovacevic
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Swedo SE, Seidlitz J, Kovacevic M, Latimer ME, Hommer R,
Lougee L, Grant P. Clinical presentation of pediatric autoimmune
neuropsychiatric disorders associated with streptococcal infections in research and
community settings. J Child Adolesc Psychopharmacol. 2015 Feb;25(1):26-30.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
The first cases of pediatric autoimmune neuropsychiatric
disorders associated with streptococcal infections (PANDAS) were described
>15 years ago. Since that time, the literature has been divided between
studies that successfully demonstrate an etiologic relationship between Group A
streptococcal (GAS) infections and childhood-onset obsessive-compulsive
disorder (OCD), and those that fail to find an association. One possible
explanation for the conflicting reports is that the diagnostic criteria
proposed for PANDAS are not specific enough to describe a unique and
homogeneous cohort of patients. To evaluate the validity of the PANDAS
criteria, we compared clinical characteristics of PANDAS patients identified in
two community practices with a sample of children meeting full research
criteria for PANDAS.
METHODS:
A systematic review of clinical records was used to identify
the presence or absence of selected symptoms in children evaluated for PANDAS
by physicians in Hinsdale, Illinois (n=52) and Bethesda, Maryland (n=40).
RESULTS were compared against data from participants in National Institute of
Mental Health (NIMH) research investigations of PANDAS (n=48).
RESULTS:
As described in the original PANDAS cohort, males
outnumbered females (95:45) by ∼ 2:1, and symptoms began in early
childhood (7.3±2.7 years). Clinical presentations were remarkably similar
across sites, with all children reporting acute onset of OCD symptoms and
multiple comorbidities, including separation anxiety (86-92%), school issues
(75-81%), sleep disruptions (71%), tics (60-65%), urinary symptoms (42-81%),
and others. Twenty of the community cases (22%) failed to meet PANDAS criteria
because of an absence of documentation of GAS infections.
CONCLUSIONS:
The diagnostic criteria for PANDAS can be used by clinicians
to accurately identify patients with common clinical features and shared
etiology of symptoms. Although difficulties in documenting an association
between GAS infection and symptom onset/exacerbations may preclude a diagnosis
of PANDAS in some children with acute-onset OCD, they do appear to meet
criteria for pediatric acute-onset neuropsychiatric syndrome (PANS).
Kovacevic M, Grant P, Swedo SE. Use of intravenous
immunoglobulin in the treatment of twelve youths with pediatric autoimmune
neuropsychiatric disorders associated with streptococcal infections. J Child Adolesc
Psychopharmacol. 2015 Feb;25(1):65-9.
Abstract
This is a case series describing 12 youths treated with
intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG) for pediatric autoimmune neuropsychiatric
disorder associated with streptococcal infection (PANDAS). Although it is a
clinically based series, the case reports provide new information about the
short-term benefits of IVIG therapy, and are the first descriptions of
long-term outcome for PANDAS patients.